She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. He takes your wallet and car and leaves the SIG. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. Holding the striker fully cocked with nothing to block it if the sear fails is questionable at best. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. But that's not working in the P320, he said. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. Aug 25, 2021 pluong91 said: Hello all users that plan on making a P320 Accidental Discharge Threads -We love our P320's and have done the research when these articles and lawsuits came out, we don't need you to tell us, we have done our due diligence. Too Many Accidents If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. The federal government intends to order up to 20,000 pistols for the military to replace its Second World War-era Browning Hi-Power handguns in a project that could be worth up to $50 million. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. Because its flat out bull**it. After the accident the unit returned to using the SIG P226 they had planned to replace with the P320. Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. After watching a friend get killed by a Remington 700 by another friend and the ensuing fallout 31 years ago I decided that I didnt care if the P320 was fixed, it was getting sold. But SIG Sauer said it has rectified the issue with upgrades, including one made for the U.S. military which court documents, filed as part of one of the lawsuits, show resulted in substantial changes to the weapons internal design. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. Theyre cheering for a noose around their own precious Glocks throat. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. But Shatner? A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. I have been purchasing and using Sig firearms exclusively for over 40 years. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. How many times did Shatner actually watch it? Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. Grow up, you aint all that! No, it doesnt. I am also very much a DS9 fan, best series overall. Theyve gotten tons of contracts because the gun is cheap, cheap, cheap to make. Fair enough. Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. Thats fine. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! in 2021," Bagnell said of the overall scope of the concern . On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector. I am still waiting for the UPS man (not from the devil but from Sig) I will not hold my breath. But breaking news here, skippy. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. What it likely means is that cops and other law enforcement officers carry and handle their guns far more often than the average Joe or Jane. Got a 40 SW P320 SC on my hip now, got one in 9mm within reach, so far neither has decided to trip the sear without my help. While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. The weapons are currently on the shelf and the soldiers have returned to using their older model SIG P226s. It has nothing to do with Glock. 00:03. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. The pictures on the internet were enough to scare the shit out of you especially his wound in the thigh. 01:10. This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. The Glock fails on both counts. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. Trust a P365 with your life. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. PDs are dropping them from contracts. Sig Sauer P220 Super Match. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. Either the gun is defective or its not. But were way past the days of major league, internationally known gunmakers turning out complete crap, selling it and the public living with it. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. LOL! Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. U.S. lawsuits Its hard to say yet but with anything follow the basic safety rules. (c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another . . That wont last for long, the P320 (M17 AND M18) are already failing in the field. As a striker-fired pistol, the P320 is "under constant pressure to fire," Bagnell said. I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. An x-ray (fluoroscope) of the mechanism in operation could show what, if anything, is happening inside the gun that might prove, or disprove, the contention that the gun is flawed. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. The Milwaukee Police Department reports "multiple unexplained accidental discharges" of the Sig Sauer P320 9mm, a gun all officers are required to carry, making for more than 1,600 firearms. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. They passed every state and national drop test requirement out there. Really? It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. People who had problems have been replacing them with Lightning Strike SS ones. As they should. In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. But as Officer Hilton says, There is no way anything could have gotten into my purseinto the trigger guard and pulled that trigger., This ABC report includes an interview with Joshua Harrison, a firearms expert hired by the network to examine the P320s design and give his opinion of its safety. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. It was expensive. Oh, if you another thread reader asking Wheres the Sig/Glock bashing? Wow new finger grooves, crazy innovation. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? He was told to shoot two rounds. The safety WILL prevent the gun from firing with a trigger pull when activated, but it should never come to that. Have you ever put a handgun down with your palm in front of the muzzle? All those customers who paid $1600 now had a limited function paper weight. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. Period. Look a fanboy. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) Oct 20, 2022 #36 ; vh20 said: . The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. The real tell is that of all the cases, most are cops of some kind. Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. Attorney Bagnell held up the law enforcement officers he represents as examples of people who are highly trained in carrying and using firearms. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix.